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Shagrath Neptune
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Posted - 2008.09.05 00:52:00 -
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 Originally by: Le Skunk
Edited by: Le Skunk on 05/09/2008 00:46:41
Originally by: Beltantis Torrence
That's odd, seems like there's a lot more *****ing and crying from people who claim to be hardcore PVP'ers (yet spend all their time chasing hulks and mission fit ships that pose no threat to them) cry and moan all day about changes that mean they might be forced to fight people who want to fight them back.
I'm ok with 'non-consensual PVP' but I'm also not going to cry if the people I fight are prepped to fight back - I'm certainly not going to be like the OP and come cry about it here.
Dude - your in Faction Warfare - the very antipathy of "non conseusual pvp" on which EVE was originaly based before the New Breed of WOW Devs took over.
Your kills show you blobbing the feck out of the enemy. And flying cheap t1 fitted insured ships you don't care if you lose.
OF course you wont cry if the enemy shoots back, as you don't lose anything, but an annoying run to the respawn ground (oursulaert for a new ship)
SKUNK
So your big rebuttal to this guy is that he blobs when he pvps and you do not blob when you are ganking that unarmed solo Hulk or hauler?
I hope you were not trying to prove that you are a real honest to God hardcore pvper or anything like that. 
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Shagrath Neptune
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Posted - 2008.09.05 02:46:00 -
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Edited by: Shagrath Neptune on 05/09/2008 02:46:49
Originally by: Vikarion
LOL, Skunk doesn't need to prove anything to you. His record speaks for itself.
But he has a point - the guy doesn't have to worry about tactics or whatnot in PvP - he can just blob, then return to hi-sec to replace losses in safety. Oh joy.
I wasn't talking to you so you can put your pom poms away. However, If i ever decide to acknowledge your presence again, i will call you "Skunk's personal cheerleader." Sound good? 
And no, he doesn't really have a point. He is only throwing around generalizations and stereotyping that part of the game. FW PvP can be much more than mindless blobbing and the use of T1 ships.
He probably knows about as much as FW as I do about Suicide ganking haulers. So maybe we are both guilty of talking out of our asses.
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Shagrath Neptune
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Posted - 2008.09.05 02:57:00 -
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Originally by: Le Skunk
Edited by: Le Skunk on 05/09/2008 01:00:13
Originally by: Shagrath Neptune
Originally by: Le Skunk
Edited by: Le Skunk on 05/09/2008 00:46:41
Originally by: Beltantis Torrence
That's odd, seems like there's a lot more *****ing and crying from people who claim to be hardcore PVP'ers (yet spend all their time chasing hulks and mission fit ships that pose no threat to them) cry and moan all day about changes that mean they might be forced to fight people who want to fight them back.
I'm ok with 'non-consensual PVP' but I'm also not going to cry if the people I fight are prepped to fight back - I'm certainly not going to be like the OP and come cry about it here.
Dude - your in Faction Warfare - the very antipathy of "non conseusual pvp" on which EVE was originaly based before the New Breed of WOW Devs took over.
Your kills show you blobbing the feck out of the enemy. And flying cheap t1 fitted insured ships you don't care if you lose.
OF course you wont cry if the enemy shoots back, as you don't lose anything, but an annoying run to the respawn ground (oursulaert for a new ship)
SKUNK
So your big rebuttal to this guy is that he blobs when he pvps and you do not blob when you are ganking that unarmed solo Hulk or hauler?
I hope you were not trying to prove that you are a real honest to God hardcore pvper or anything like that.
No my point was that if your going to act all high and mighty yelling "ya big cowards only fight stuff that don't shoot back - you need to get risk in your pvp" it helps not to be
a) engaging in no risk PVP (fully insured, t1 cruisers)
b) not fly around in massive blobs ganking lone dudes
Rather then suggesting suicide ganking needed excellent pvp skills, I was suggesting that many of the people who criticse suicide gankers, need to check their own pvp habits, and ask themselves if they consist solely of evenly matched 1v1s, and if they open them themselves up to much risk when they die anyway.
I suspect that in many of the cases, the answers are no and no.
SKUNK
First of all, I wasn't really yelling at you but i take offense when some guy who admits that his pvp consists of high sec ganking and meta game mechanics lumps all FW pilots into one basket. You obviously never participated in it and it shows in your posts.
Now I am not going to sit here and lie and say there is no blobbing and there aren't quite a few noobs in FW. There are. However, there is some high quality pvp in it as well.
I for one fly around in FW solo in Hacs more than i am in a fleet or gang. I guess that would meet your conditions a) and b) huh? 
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Shagrath Neptune
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Posted - 2008.09.05 04:53:00 -
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Originally by: Vikarion
You really don't get it. Did you bother to look at Le Skunk's kill board? Do you bother to even consider who you are talking to before you make ad hominem attacks?
I see that your arguments are so weak that your only hope to succeed is to attack the character of those who are far more competent than yourself.
This wasn't directed at me but your unconditional love for Skunk is rather disgusting. Get a room. 
I don't know much about Skunk's abilities in game. I do know that he and a handful of others have done nothing but cry and whine on these boards for the past week though.
Just because a guy has a kill board and posts a lot here doesn't make him anything special. This mentality that everyone should take someone's posts as gospel just because you respect him more than you respect yourself tells me that you have a deep rooted inferiority complex.
That is a bit scary to be honest.
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Shagrath Neptune
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Posted - 2008.09.05 05:41:00 -
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Originally by: Vikarion
Originally by: Shagrath Neptune
This wasn't directed at me but your unconditional love for Skunk is rather disgusting. Get a room.
I don't know much about Skunk's abilities in game. I do know that he and a handful of others have done nothing but cry and whine on these boards for the past week though.
Just because a guy has a kill board and posts a lot here doesn't make him anything special. This mentality that everyone should take someone's posts as gospel just because you respect him more than you respect yourself tells me that you have a deep rooted inferiority complex.
That is a bit scary to be honest.
I respect Skunk, and Nexa Necis, and Malcanis, and Ki An, and many others, because they actually seem to care about this game. I don't respect people who rag on them in ignorance and general idiocy. And I don't respect people who think that they are capable of performing psychological profiles over the internets.
In the end, it's a game, but I intend to fight for what I belienve is best for it, and if that means shouting down people like you, all the better. Arguing is fun. :-)
I am a forum PvPer! 
The thing is, you are not really fighting for anything. Any battle that you perceived as existing has already been lost. CCP did what they did and will continue to do whatever they think is best for the game.
I wasn't trying to rag on Skunk. I was attacking his ignorance of FW. Maybe he will come back on here and attack my ignorance of high sec suicide ganking. That would be fair to me. /shrug
I don't mind if you respect those guys or anyone else you choose to. Just don't name drop and expect that to make your arguments stronger. It just makes you sound like a mindless groupie.
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Shagrath Neptune
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Posted - 2008.09.05 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: Le Skunk
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Well at least you did try FW so I give you credit for that. However, just because you don't like it and feel they aren't fighting for anything doesn't mean it cannot be fun.
One thing I do agree with you on 100% are there were tons of noobies at the beginning who didn't realize what they were getting into. They didn't realize the amount of isks that FW was going to subtract from their wallets. Therefore, many left or got discouraged. What is left are pirates who joined FW for more WTs in low sec and guys like me who have been waiting for something like FW to be introduced into the game because we didn't care for the 0.0 lifestyle. Guys like me enjoy simply fitting up a ship of MY choice and blowing others up and collecting KMs. Unless CCP expands on FW significantly, it is only going to be a nich part of EvE and not a major play style.
I guess I look at FW in a better light than most because
1) I happen to be in a corp which has a top Amarr FC as our CEO so getting into a fleet is actually fun because our CEO makes it fun when he runs our fleets. It isn't the same crap everytime out and the guy knows what he is doing.
2) Since I am fighting for Amarr, I suspect there is a bit less blobbing here then there is on the Gallente-Caldari side. There are still blobs but they are easy enough to avoid.
As far as not fighting for anything. Well like I said, i enjoy collecting KMs and putting the hurt on someone who is flying around in 250 million isk nano fitted recons. Knowing that dude thought he was invincible but just lost a lot of isk because of me makes it worth it and more importantly, fun. For now, that suits me. I agree though with those who say FW needs some more beefing up and hopefully, we will get it so more people will want to play it.
Anyway, i have nothing against guys who kill carebears in high sec and steals their stuff. Whatever floats your boat. I don't even care if people whine about the new changes some. What irritates me is when people throw a temper tantrum and declare garbage like EvE = WoW just because their play style just got a bit harder.
Hell, I started this game out nerfed since I trained up Amarr ships very early in my character's career. I adapted and dealt with the fact that Amarr sucked. Luckily, they are now a good race again. Things in these games will always change. Just deal with it imo.
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Posted - 2008.09.06 22:41:00 -
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Edited by: Shagrath Neptune on 06/09/2008 22:41:58
Originally by: Vikarion
Originally by: VeroneaTT
Perspective?
You admitted to a key word here. You give yourself good advice and I suggest you start to follow it. Cairn building usually shows a lack.
Already got it. You don't, which is why you venture close to making RL threats over Eve, consider anyone who plays the game differently than you would like a "griefer", and can't seem to grasp where Eve came from, and why CCP has been successful up until now. Or why continuing this course will ruin them.
Vikarion, do you have killboard stats we could view? I would like to see some of your in game credentials.
You keep calling yourself a pvper, Telling people to post with their mains and lecturing everyone on howthe game should be played. I would just like to see exactly what you have personally accomplished.
I could be wrong but it seems like you do a lot of talking and little else?
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Shagrath Neptune
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Posted - 2008.09.06 23:30:00 -
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Originally by: Vikarion
Here is my Killboard.
As you may note, I recently went on a spree of killing macro haulers.
You are certainly keeping the universe safe from renegade Bestowers and Iteron Mark 4's but I guess I was expecting more kills of things that actually shoot back sometimes.
I guess whether you are qualified enough to brow beat and lecture others about pvp depends on how one would define "PvP."
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Shagrath Neptune
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Posted - 2008.09.07 01:27:00 -
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Originally by: Vikarion
Originally by: Shagrath Neptune
You are certainly keeping the universe safe from renegade Bestowers and Iteron Mark 4's but I guess I was expecting more kills of things that actually shoot back sometimes.
I guess whether you are qualified enough to brow beat and lecture others about pvp depends on how one would define "PvP."
Apparently you didn't realize that you can go to the "kills" page and look at the other fights I've engaged in. In addition, you also didn't realize that some of those kills are in 0.0. Lastly, you also didn't realize that most of those fights were me versus large amounts of other people.
Learn to internet better. Also, what's with the hate for killing macro haulers? RMT getting a little expensive for ya?  I hope so.
Basically, I went to the "ships destroyed" section and noticed over half of those were Haulers and Mining Barges. Which part was I suppose to be impressed by again?
Regardless, I am not sure what any of this has to do with me needing to "learn the internet better?" Huh??
I don't do any RMT. This is why I think you are a clueless nub though. You assume that everyone who disagrees with you must have some agenda or motive. I don't. I just think you aren't a very good "pvper." {and I am using that term loosely when i use it to describe you.}
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Shagrath Neptune
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Posted - 2008.09.07 01:58:00 -
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Originally by: Vikarion
Originally by: Shagrath Neptune
Basically, I went to the "ships destroyed" section and noticed over half of those were Haulers and Mining Barges. Which part was I suppose to be impressed by again?
Regardless, I am not sure what any of this has to do with me needing to "learn the internet better?" Huh??
I don't do any RMT. This is why I think you are a clueless nub though. You assume that everyone who disagrees with you must have some agenda or motive. I don't. I just think you aren't a very good "pvper." {and I am using that term loosely when i use it to describe you.}
I'm sorry that my killboard doesn't live up to your expectations.
Well, actually, I'm not. And I'll note that you certainly haven't linked yours.
Most of my 0.0 combat experience is not linked on my personal board, but my alliance board, since I can usually only post what I landed the final blow on - usually not going to happen in fleet combat.
Let's see your KB.
I didn't link mine because I wasn't the one creating whine threads and getting up on a soapbox to lecture all the carebears or whoever you think caused these awful, dreadful, mean spirited changes against your pvp style of play. 
I didn't link it because I just wanted to see what you have actually killed and didn't mean it as an e-peen measuring contest. I felt you are the one who needs to prove something since you are calling out a good portion of the player base. Heck, you are now calling out the game Devs now too.
Here is mine anyways. http://www.amarr-empire.net/killboard/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=39754
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